Parenthetical Scene 4.1: This parenthetical scene has 3 parts symbolized by 3 beasts: The Red Dragon, the Sea Beast, and the Earth Beast. There are slight theme changes when each appears, making them feel more like a continuous story, with each one expanding on the one before, like a Russian nesting doll. These distinct sub-themes will be shown as parenthetical scenes 4.2 and 4.3.

But before these 3, we see a woman who is made out to be like the tribes of Israel. Because she appears and gives birth before the 1260 days start, we can place her appearance and her Son's birth before the start of the 7 years. Again, 1260 marks the day count starting from the beginning, with precedence given for this claim in Revelation 11:1-13.

The order of events in this Parenthetical Scene 4.1-3:

  1. The woman with twelve stars (twelve tribes of Israel) is in distress, like a chastening from God (Isaiah 26:16-18).

  2. Dragon takes 1/3 stars and casts them to earth and sets his face toward the woman.

  3. She gives birth to Jesus (descends from heaven) before the start of the 1260 days. (Like in Revelation 14:1 when the Lamb is seen on Mount Zion.)

  4. Once Jesus is born, He ascends to the throne of the Father in heaven.

  5. The woman is to be kept safe for 1260 days.

  6. There is war in heaven: Michael fights the dragon, and the dragon is cast out with those 1/3 angels.

  7. Salvation is declared in heaven for those who died and overcame the dragon by the blood of the Lamb.

  8. Dragon pursues the woman.

  9. The woman is to be kept safe again for "time, and times, and half a time."

  10. Dragon sets his face against "those who have the testimony of Jesus" and goes to make war.

  11. That war is manifested in the sea beast and the earth beast by their authority and actions given from the Dragon — they are of the Dragon.

  12. The whole earth worships the sea beast, and he is to rule for 42 months after the first 1260 days are over.

  13. It is declared, "Here is the patience and the faith of the saints," as many are killed and taken captive.

  14. The whole earth is made to worship the sea beast and take his mark 666.

The Dragon:

11:7, 12:3, 12:4, 12:7, 12:9, 12:10, 12:11, 12:12, 12:13, 12:14, 12:15, 12:16, 12:17, 17:3, 17:7, 17:8, 17:11, 17:12, 17:13, 17:16, 17:17, 20:10

In Revelation 12, we learn about the dragon in great detail, who he is, and how he fails. He tries to devour the child and fails, seeks to take heaven by war with his 1/3 of the angels, and then seeks to overtake the woman but fails. So he sets his face to war against the saints that are not the 144,000, and gives his power to the sea beast this time. The dragon is mentioned twice in verses 2 and 4 and then in every verse from 12:7-17. The dragon has these titles: great red dragon, old serpent, Devil, Satan, and the accuser. We will see the dragon again in Revelation 17 as the scarlet beast.

The Woman:

Like the stars in Revelation 1:16 likely point to human leaders, the twelve stars of the woman likely point to the twelve tribes of Israel from Revelation 7:4, specifically the 144,000. She is kept safe from the Dragon twice. She is not a celestial sign in the stars that we should be looking for.

Bookends: We learn about the beast’s untaken 66.6% of stars still in heaven (66.6% is the remainder of 1/3, based on a simple calculation), and then at the end of this parenthetical scene, learn of the mark of 666. So the bookends appear to be the same numbers by calculation: 666.

12And there appeared a great sign in heaven (c); a woman (e) [r.0] [r.1] clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars 7:1-8 [r.3]:
[lex]

σημεῖον meaning "sign", ESV gets this right and the KJV misses the depth of the word.

[r.0]
[r.1]

Re 12:1, Re 14:1

[r.3]

Re 1:16, Re 12:1

(c)

Re 12:1, Re 12:3, Re 15:1When a "sign in heaven" is used in Revelation, it appears to be a literary device that connects the end of Revelation 12-13:18 to Revelation 15:1, thereby aligning the end of the "time, and times, and half a time" in Revelation 12:14 with the time of Revelation 15:1. A "sign in heaven" in only used three times in Revealtion and it appear to be for that literary device.

(e)

Re 12:1, Re 7:4, Re 14:1The appearance of the 144,000 by name or symbolically.

[art]
2 And she, being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Isaiah 26:15-16
3 And there appeared another sign in heaven (c); and behold, a great fiery-red dragon (d), having seven heads and ten horns [r.5] [r.6], and upon his heads seven diadems [r.7] (dd).
[lex]

σημεῖον, a "sign" only used 3 times. It is used to connect 12-13 to 15.

[fn]

These seven crowns seem to communicate the authority over the 7 heads.

[r.5]

Re 12:3, Re 17:3, Re 17:7Seven heads are mentioned before the ten horns.

[r.6]
[r.7]

Re 12:3, Re 17:10Seven heads are mountains and are seven kings (17:10); those kings seem to be the "seven diadems" (12:3).

(c)

Re 12:3, Re 12:1, Re 15:1When a "sign in heaven" is used in Revelation, it appears to be a literary device that connects the end of Revelation 12-13:18 to Revelation 15:1, thereby aligning the end of the "time, and times, and half a time" in Revelation 12:14 with the time of Revelation 15:1. A "sign in heaven" in only used three times in Revealtion and it appear to be for that literary device.

(d)

Re 12:3, Re 11:7, Re 17:3, Re 17:8The Devil and Satan. Red dragon. Not to be confused with the sea beast due to the names of blasphemy (the red dragon has implied names of blasphemy in 17). Satan is the one who comes from the bottomless pit, which requires a key to open; it is not a place anyone can open – the sea beast accends from the sea, not the bottomless pit. Many other subtle proofs of this being Satan also exist in the text.

(dd)

Re 12:3, Re 13:1, Re 19:12The term διάδημα (diadēma, “royal crown”) appears to signify the possession of ruling authority. Notably, the diadems are first seen upon the fiery red dragon, then upon the sea beast, and finally upon Christ as “King of kings and Lord of lords,” suggesting a progressive transfer or consolidation of authority within the narrative.

4 And his tail drew the third part [r.8] of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered, so that when she bore her child he might devour it 1:1.
[fn]

Satan now has angels with him, soon he will use them to wage war in heaven.

[r.8]

Re 12:4, Re 13:18The reason we do not see a reference to this fall of 1/3 angels in the Old Testament is that it is a future event; it has not taken place yet. Everything in Revelation after chapter 4 is yet to come.

[r.9]

Important Note: Revelation 4:1 tells us this birth is a future event: "...I will show you what must take place after this," the birth of Revelation 12:5 is not the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary.

5 And she brought forth a man child (a), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron [r.10]: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne [r.11]. Isaiah 26:13-21
[r.10]

Re 2:27, Re 12:5, Re 19:15

[r.11]

Re 12:5, Re 14:1-8

(a)

Re 12:5, Re 14:1The time when Jesus appears on earth, at the start of the 1260 days. Not the end of the 7 years.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days (1260).
[lex]

τρέφω to "feed" or "take care of". In the KJV we see "feed" in Revelation 7:17 but there the word is "ποιμαίνω" which means to "shepherd, tend, pasture" so we should not link 12:6 and 7:17.

(1260)

Re 12:6, Re 11:3The 1260 days refer to the first half of the 7 years.

[time]

Parenthetical Scene 4.1a: A battle takes place very likely at the very start, or less likely, the middle of the 7 years. The keyword “salvation” in verse 10 appears to place the battle at the start of the tribulation, at the beginning of the 1260 days. Furthermore, this battle seems to link back to the 1/3 of the stars cast to earth by Satan — this appears to be how Satan got angels to fight with him.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his messengers [r.13] waging war against the dragon; and the dragon waged war and his messengers 12:3,
[r.13]
[r.14]
8 And he was not strong enough; neither was their place found for them any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out [r.15], that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him [r.16].
[r.15]

Re 12:9, Re 12:13

[r.16]

Re 12:3, Re 12:7-9Here, Satan and his angels are cast out, whereas in Revelation 12:3 Satan is shown casting the stars to the earth. These are opposite actions performed by different agents, which means they cannot be describing the same moment in time. Thus we cannot use the casting out here and in 12:3 as a timing link, these are not the same.

Important Note: Fair warning, what follows is going to be hard to grasp; this is something hard to understand. Revelation 12:10-11 speaks of a group who "loved not their lives unto the death" and have "overcome" at a time of "salvation".

At first glance, these saints might appear to be linked to the patience of the saints in the middle of the time of the tribulation, but they are not. From 13:10 and 14:12, and to the rest of the saints in 6:11 and 14:13, those saints are described as under the altar or as souls. This group is not.

These saints have prevailed against “the dragon” (the accuser), making them distinct from those who overcame the sea beast in 20:4 and did not take the mark of the beast. They are also distinct from the resurrected group in 20:4, where death is not established as an attribute of overcoming. The phrase "overcome" is established in Revelation 15:2 as language for saints who are already in heaven and not dead. Thus, this "salvation" and this "overcomer" group is not linked to the end of the tribulation resurrection in Revelation 20:4.

So, when is this group seen in Revelation 12:10-11 (if not at the end of the tribulation, as in Revelation 20:4)? At the beginning, middle, or end of the 7 years?

The declaration of “salvation”, in Greek σωτηρία, better fits the time when the other occurrences of “salvation” appear, which is at the start of the tribulation, right after the fall of Mystery Babylon, and immediately after the 144,000 are sealed. So this proclamation seems to initiate that time, right after or as Jesus ascends into heaven, and not too far before the fall of Mystery Babylon.

Because the text seems to suggest two resurrections, with one possible here in Revelation 12:11 near the beginning of the tribulation, and another resurrection at the end after the catching up of believers in the reaping at the 7th trumpet. We should pause and look to the other books of the Bible to confirm this is possible. What does Paul say? He lays this out plainly.

In 1 Corinthians 15:52, Paul places the time when Jesus comes for his Bride at the time when the resurrection of the dead occurs first, before a reaping of living believers. This is the opposite order of the events at the 7th trumpet and its reaping. In Paul's account, the living church goes into heaven immediately after a resurrection of the dead, not before. Further, in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, we should not expect any meaningful gap between these a resurection and reaping of the living. So, Paul's account sounds a lot like what Revelation 12:10-11 signals when we connect its "salvation" to the "salvations" of 7:10 and 19:1 — a place where Hebrews 9:28 puts the descending of Jesus and our salvation.

Again, Paul places his resurrection, the one we look for, before and with a catching-up to heaven of the living; they occur together, “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.” This alone argues against inserting extended prophetic intervals between the two, which would be required for a view of the 7th trumpet and the resurrection of 20:4, and not what Paul speaks about in 1 Corinthians 15:52.

Overall, this verse appears to describe a distinct group of saints already in heaven—likely the resurrected dead. There is a war in heaven that results in Satan and his angels being cast out, yet the possible arrival of a new group may mark the decisive moment that seals that removal. Revelation 12:10–11 then reflects the outcome of that war. The pattern elsewhere in Scripture indicates that the dead are raised first, followed by the catching up of the living church. Satan is forced down to the earth, and subsequently, the living church ascends into heaven. The result is a striking reversal: Satan comes to earth just as the church is taken out of it. In this sense, their places are exchanged.

10 And I heard a great voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (g), and might, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren [r.17] is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.
[r.17]
(g)

Re 12:10, Re 7:10, Re 19:1The proclamation of “salvation” (σωτηρία, sōtēria) forms a distinct thematic link across Revelation 7:10, 12:10, and 19:1—the only occurrences of this term in the book. In each case, it is declared in a heavenly context: the immense multitude before the throne (7:10), the heavenly voice following the accuser’s casting down (12:10), and the great multitude in heaven (19:1). This shared language and setting suggest a deliberate literary and theological unity, and may indicate that these passages present the same heavenly reality from complementary perspectives, though the text does not explicitly require them to be the same chronological moment.

[time]
11 And they overcame [r.18] him by the blood of the Lamb [r.19] (lb), and by the word of their testimony [r.20]; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[fn]

The statement “they loved not their lives unto the death” (Rev 12:11) clearly points to martyrdom. The call to “rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them” (12:12) includes the heavenly host and may also include these faithful ones now present in heaven. While Revelation 12:10–12 does not explicitly state resurrection, the connection with Revelation 7:10 and 19:1 strengthens the possibility. All three passages share the word σωτηρία (sōtēria, salvation/deliverance), and these are the only occurrences of the term in Revelation. In 7:10 the great multitude before the throne cries, “Salvation to our God,” in 12:10 heaven proclaims, “Now is come salvation,” and in 19:1 the great multitude in heaven again cries, “Alleluia; Salvation…” This repeated language suggests a deliberate thematic unity. Therefore, resurrection should not be derived from Revelation 12:10–12 alone, but the shared language and imagery across these three passages make it a reasonable inference that the overcomers who died are now seen in heavenly victory.

[fn]

These are said to have “overcome” (νικάω). Throughout Revelation, those who overcome are consistently linked to the promises Jesus gave to the seven churches. This places this group of saints—who have died—as those now able to realize those promises, having indeed “overcome.” For example, Revelation 3:12 states, “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out” (KJV). Accordingly, this suggests that this group is no longer going out—that is, they are presently in heaven.

In Revelation 15:2, we see another group explicitly identified as overcomers, and they are clearly depicted in heaven. The saints in Revelation 12:11 and those in 15:2 are the only groups described as having directly “overcome” at a distinct moment. Moreover, their overcoming is closely related: the saints in 12:11 overcome the dragon, while those in 15:2 overcome the beast. Given this parallel, it is reasonable to suggest that the saints in 12:11 are likewise present in heaven for this reason as well.

[fn]

Some theologians suggest that what is often called “the rapture” occurs near the sixth seal. However, this raises a difficulty in the sequence of events Revelation presents because a resurrection must accompany a “rapture” in the kind that Paul presents (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Revelation only gives two options for resurrections: Revelation 12:11 or 20:4. So, can either of these be a required resurrection for a 6th seal “rapture”?

Revelation 12:11: The timing of this resurrection appears to imply it occurs before “the abomination of desolation” (Matt 24:15). Jesus places the desolation before the coming of the Son of Man “in the clouds.” (Matthew 24:30) If a resurrection is in view in Revelation 12:11, and if the abomination of desolation does not appear until the rise of the sea beast (Rev 13), how could this group of “overcomers” (12:11) represent such a resurrection if that “rapture” is understood to occur after that desolation? It does not.

Revelation 20:4: If Revelation 12:11 is not describing a resurrection, then the next clear point at which a resurrection occurs is in Revelation 20:4, which happens after the sea beast is cast into the lake of fire. This resurrection is after the desolation Jesus describes, which fits so far. Yet the sea beast is cast into the lake of fire well after the scene of the Son of Man coming on the clouds in Revelation 14:14–16 which corresponds to Matthew 24:30. A resurrection then for “the rapture” in Revelation 20:4 then breaks the sequents of events much worse then one of Revelation 12:11 because Revelation 14:14–16 places the living being reaped before the resurection in Revelation 20:4.

Consequently, Revelation does not present an obvious resurrection event that aligns with placing “the rapture” at the sixth seal, as Jesus and Paul describe. To maintain that view, a sixth seal “rapture”, one must assume either that a resurrection occurs at that point without being explicitly described, or that the “rapture” is being understood apart from a resurrection clearly outlined in the text.

So, the text of Revelation presents no option for a 6th-seal “rapture” as described by both Jesus and Paul. Either Revelation does not mention the required resurrection (Revelation 7:9-17 does not suggest a resurrection in the same explicit terms as Revelation 12:11 and Revelation 20:4) for a 6th-seal “rapture,” or there is a fundamental issue in assuming Paul and Jesus are talking about the same event.

[fn]

If this verse is placed near the middle of the tribulation and is taken to describe a resurrection of the dead, it creates an awkward sequence. It would place a resurrection prior to the period in which the sea beast wages war against the saints and kills many of them. This presents a difficulty, since it would imply a resurrection of the dead followed immediately by a widespread martyrdom of the saints, an order that seems out of step with the broader flow of the narrative.

[r.19]

Re 1:5, Re 5:9, Re 7:14, Re 12:11

[r.20]

Re 1:1-2, Re 12:11

(lb)

Re 12:11, Re 7:14The only time we see the exact phrase "the blood of the Lamb" is in 7:14 and 12:11, it links the established identity of saints with salvation, specifically to the moments we would expect a resurrection or a catching up of living believers.

Important Note: The timing of this war appears to be near the start of the 1260 days, and because Satan is cast down at the time "salvation" is declared (given the pattern of placing salvation near the start of the 7 years), it seems the war in heaven does not last long, likely ending within the day it takes place.

12 Therefore rejoice [r.21] Isaiah 26:19, O heavens, and all you who dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a little time. (dl)
[r.21]

Re 12:12, Re 18:20, Re 19:7

(dl)

Re 12:12, Re 17:10Here, the fiery-red dragon of Revelation 12 and the 7th king of Revelation 17 are each said, using the same Greek term (ὀλίγον), to have but a “little” time to remain, mirroring each other.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth [r.23], he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child.
[r.23]

Re 12:9, Re 12:13

Important Note: The "a time, and times, and half a time" should not be conflated with 3.5 years, 1260 days, or any day or month count. Scripture is making it very clear that this "a time, and times, and half a time" is not specific in its timing. So, it cannot be converted to a specific time frame, like 1260 days. Remember, the exact time of the 7th trumpet is at an hour no one can know (Matthew 24:42); thus, the end of the "a time, and times, and half a time" will mark that time, but we are not giving the day count, so it will indeed be like a thief.

Also, the text makes it clear that the woman goes into the wilderness twice. Not just once. It might appear that 12:6 and 12:14 are the same event, but their details are very distinct, and 1260 would not be conflated with "a time, and times, and half a time". Yes, these two events seem extremely similar, but Revelation is extremely particular and requires great attention to detail. She flees twice and is fed twice in the wilderness twice.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle [r.24], that she might fly (ew) into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (ls) [r.25], from the face of the serpent [r.26].
[lex]

καιρὸν καὶ καιροὺς καὶ ἥμισυ καιροῦ - time, and times, and half a time

[r.25]
[r.26]

Re 6:16, Re 12:14

(ew)

Re 12:14, Re 8:13This is not a required understanding and the text does not force it, but: The only time we see eagles flying is when the 144,000 are taken into the wilderness a second time (12:14) and before the 144,000 are kept safe from the first woe for five months (8:13 and 9:4). This opens up the possibility that this eagle is the 144,000 symbolized as the woman with eagle wings. If this is the case, that these two eagles are the same, it further opens the possibility that at that time the woman flies into the wilderness, she is also the one who says "woe, woe, woe". Following this possible suggestion, that the two eagles flying are a timing coordination (if this is meant to be understood), it then implies that the time span between the 5th seal and the 4th trumpet is very short. Without this connection between the eagles, this study of Revelation still finds the space between the 5th seal and the 4th trumpet to be a very compressed time frame, which further supports the two eagles being the same, that is, the woman.

(ls)

Re 12:14, Re 6:11, Re 10:6, Re 14:15χρονον - seems to link the coming about of judgment to the time when the season ends in Revelation 10.

[art]
[art]
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a river after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
[fn]

The target of attack is the 144,000 of Israel, yet when he cannot get to them, the serpent turns to the other saints, those who will rule for 1000 years, yet not protected in the same way as the 144,000.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Parenthetical Scene 4.1b: As the 144,000 escape his flood, he turns to make war against the other saints.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (m), who keep the commandments of God [r.27] (m), and have the testimony of Jesus Christ [r.28].
[fn]

Not likely the 144,000 but maybe those like them that remain, the tribulation saints.

[r.27]

Re 12:17, Re 14:12

[r.28]
(m)

Re 12:17, Re 13:7, Re 13:10, Re 14:12The dragon uses the sea beast to make war with the saints and overcomes them. These saints are not the 144,000.